He probably hasn't El Coyote and neither have I. All I was saying is that over the past few years I have used both ATI and nVidia cards and find both of them good. BUT I have had more problems when gaming using ATI due to the drivers. By the way just for the record I find the new 53.03 nVidia drivers a huge improvement over the 52.16. So you see I am not stuck in either camp.