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Detonator 21.83 vs. 22.50 Benchmarks On WinXP/98SE!
Posted by [PM], 10/30/2001 06:49 PM 
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Allright, we have benched and tested these babies with the following tools:
3DMark 2001
AMD N-Bench
GLExcess 1.1a running Windows XP Professional.
To read the results and something about the testing system, click Read More. UPDATE: 3DMark 2001 Win98SE GeForce 2 GTS Results added.
Testing System AMD TB 1100
ABIT KT 7 Raid
256 MB noname RAM
Hercules 3D Prophet II GTS Pro 64 MB
Via 4 in1 4.35 Final
Windows XP professional
nothing overclocked, no tuning tools runing in the background
Results: 21.83 22.50 GL Excess XS Marks 4194 4163 3DMark2001 3DMarks 3525 3843 AMD n-Bench 4786 4808 Summary Results: 12505 12814 Only in the OpenGL benchmark tool GLExcess the 22.50 have lost some points compared to the official 21.83. Rancho*s Results: Testing System Intel PIII 750E @ 825
256 MB PC100 CAS 2 RAM
ABIT BE-6 (BX440) Mobo
Hercules Prophet II GTS 32MB @ 212/366
SB Audigy Player
Cambridge Soundworks DTT2200 5.1 Speaker System
IBM DTLA 307030 HD; 7200 RPM
Logitech Internet Navigator Keyboard
Logitech Optical Cordless Wheelmouse Detonator 12.90 Detonator 22.50 We think, these 22.50 babies rrrooocckkk. How about your results? Leave a comment. Oh, btw, all the benchmarking tools are available in our download section. Make sure to grab your 22.50 copy!
AMD N-Bench
GLExcess 1.1a running Windows XP Professional.
To read the results and something about the testing system, click Read More. UPDATE: 3DMark 2001 Win98SE GeForce 2 GTS Results added.
Testing System AMD TB 1100
ABIT KT 7 Raid
256 MB noname RAM
Hercules 3D Prophet II GTS Pro 64 MB
Via 4 in1 4.35 Final
Windows XP professional
nothing overclocked, no tuning tools runing in the background
Results: 21.83 22.50 GL Excess XS Marks 4194 4163 3DMark2001 3DMarks 3525 3843 AMD n-Bench 4786 4808 Summary Results: 12505 12814 Only in the OpenGL benchmark tool GLExcess the 22.50 have lost some points compared to the official 21.83. Rancho*s Results: Testing System Intel PIII 750E @ 825
256 MB PC100 CAS 2 RAM
ABIT BE-6 (BX440) Mobo
Hercules Prophet II GTS 32MB @ 212/366
SB Audigy Player
Cambridge Soundworks DTT2200 5.1 Speaker System
IBM DTLA 307030 HD; 7200 RPM
Logitech Internet Navigator Keyboard
Logitech Optical Cordless Wheelmouse Detonator 12.90 Detonator 22.50 We think, these 22.50 babies rrrooocckkk. How about your results? Leave a comment. Oh, btw, all the benchmarking tools are available in our download section. Make sure to grab your 22.50 copy!
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#33703 Posted on: 10/30/2001 07:40 PM
Amd athlon 266fsb 1.2ghz, 266mb ddr sdram, gigabyte GA-7DX motherboard.
There also seems to be 'bugs' when looking at the 3dmark benchmark again, but their has always been for me...
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#33704 Posted on: 10/30/2001 08:50 PM
***** nVIDIA
man i hate nVidia
with every driver release they got faster in Quake 3 and 3D Mark200x - and with every driver release the 3d quality is gettig worse ...
ati i'm comming
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#33706 Posted on: 10/30/2001 09:33 PM
I have the Creative Annihilator 256 Pro DDR. I lose a of Fsp in Ureal Tournament: 112,36 Fsp average to 93,15 Fsp average... How come? (Win98 2nd, Asus A7v266, 512Mb DDR 2100)
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#33711 Posted on: 10/31/2001 12:04 AM
The 22.50's somethings funny!!!
Check your Z-buffer
21.85's running 3D Mark 2001 the Z-Buffer=32bit
21.83's running 3D Mark 2001 the Z-Buffer=32bit
21,81's running 3D Mark 2001 the Z-Buffer=24bit
But yet...
22.50's running 3D Mark 2001 the Z-Buffer=24bit
I for one don't think they would take a step backwards.
21.81's were the last ones released by Nvidia with a 24bit Z-Buffer.
The 22's should have 32bit Z-Buffer
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#33713 Posted on: 10/31/2001 12:16 AM
Installed these drivers with my Geforce 2 Ti and Q3 has never performed better!
The levels that usually gets choppy due to huge amount of textures (q3dm12 or tourney 4) is smooth now. I used the 21.88 before this driver and I am sticking with the 22.50s for now
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#33714 Posted on: 10/31/2001 12:16 AM
Installed these drivers with my Geforce 2 Ti and Q3 has never performed better!
The levels that usually gets choppy due to huge amount of textures (q3dm12 or tourney 4) is smooth now. I used the 21.88 before this driver and I am sticking with the 22.50s for now
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#33718 Posted on: 10/31/2001 01:36 AM
Is it that big of a deal? Does the Z buffer really need a transparency channel?
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#33719 Posted on: 10/31/2001 02:24 AM
Put on the 22.50's (in WindowsXP with a GeForce 3) and while the scores in 3DMark 2001 were a little higher, it was also performing weird. The images would stutter a little bit throughout all of the tests, so I guess I'm sticking with the 21.83's.
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#33724 Posted on: 10/31/2001 07:37 AM
Different Z-Buffer Won't take so much influnce
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#33725 Posted on: 10/31/2001 10:05 AM
You r completely wrong.
There is no 32bpp z - buffer on any Nvidea card (TNT1/TNT2/Ge1/Ge2/Ge3).
The z-buffer formats supported by those cars r:
D16
D16_Lockable
D24X8 - 24 depth, 8 padding
D24S8 - 24 depth, 8 stencil
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#33727 Posted on: 10/31/2001 10:24 AM
Man THESE DRIVERS OWN!
I tested in 3Dmarks 2001
i was getting 1289 at my best using 21.83
i installed the 22.50 and i got 1334
nows thats a good increase for a geforce 2mx 100/200 running on winxp
1289 TO 1334 !!!!! woohooo NICE!!!!
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#33728 Posted on: 10/31/2001 10:32 AM
***** 3Dmark, its just a pissing contest. Look ma' my piss can reach the ceiling. You dont play 3Dmark. I play Tribes 2 and Opperation Flashpoint, and I test with the demo of Unreal2. All work fine with 21.85 on my leadtek winfast GF3 Ti500. All the other 21.xx or 22.xx drivers so far have too much glitches and z-buffer problems.
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#33729 Posted on: 10/31/2001 11:13 AM
I have serious problems with my Asus 7700 PRO GTS and 21.8x drivers. I've also tested asus 21.81++, but the only driver that does not lock up my XP machine is <12.90 .. Using XP 2600
Setup :
Asus P3V4X v/PIII 1GHz, 768 ram
Asus 7700 GTS PRO 64DDR
Intel PRO100+ nic
Creative Live! 1024
Adaptec 2930U2
Plextor
Behaviour : If i right click, drag 'n' drop or double click on an .AVI .MPG movie file on a network drive, the machine reboots. XP reports nVidia being the cause of the problem. Every now and again the machine also reboots when i start/quit a game (excactly when the gfx mode switches)
Right click.. or whatever with AVI files on local drives causes no problems at all.. no problems viewing DivX files..
I would love to use the 21.8x drivers because they give me appx. 10-12fps increase in Q3, and that is of course a good thing
Any ideas? BIOS settings? (Tested disabling fast writes ++ in bios.. no avail..)
CyberMax
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#33730 Posted on: 10/31/2001 11:17 AM
ur an A GRADE tossa , do u know ur talkin about one half a frame per second difference , wot shitbox u runnin to get scores like that anyway .
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#33731 Posted on: 10/31/2001 11:33 AM
The Z-buffer shoud be 24-bit only because other 8 bits are used for stencil buffer.
24+8+32!!
(32+8 is not 32)
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#33732 Posted on: 10/31/2001 11:42 AM
well 2 b honest these drivers do not "rock" but "diamond" !!!
in 3DMARK2001 i used toget 5075 with 21.83
5230 with 22.88e
but with these a whopping!!! 5450 well that is performance .
PIII 800EB @ 920 MHZ
Geforce3 @ 245 / 540 MHZ
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#33734 Posted on: 10/31/2001 12:21 PM
I had the exact same problem, but with a geforce mx. I changed drivers, tried all of them and now with the 21.85 it's never happened. I'm using a powercolor release, but it should work as I don't think these guys do a lot in the way of customizing drivers for their own videocards.
Hope that helps, the other thing I did is reinstall WinXP at the same time, and didn't install the via's 4in1, and that could be it, but it's way more probable that it's just the video card drivers.
Good Luck
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#33735 Posted on: 10/31/2001 01:30 PM
hmm...in 3d mark 2001 i can choose between 16, 24 and 32bit z-buffer with my Geforce 3 and 21.85s...
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#33736 Posted on: 10/31/2001 02:07 PM
With the new 22.50 everything is screwed up (but some really neat looking artifacts), I went back to 21.85 and everthing is perfectly fine!
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#33737 Posted on: 10/31/2001 02:52 PM
Their performance seems good but they glitch badly with Project IGI
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#33738 Posted on: 10/31/2001 03:13 PM
There seems to be some confusion as to what a Z Buffer is. It stores the depth information of vertices in a 3D scene. A 32 bit Z buffer does not consist of 24 bit Z buffer + 8 bit alpha channel. Only when referring to colour depth would you have an alpha channel. Furthermore, it is possible to have 32 bit colour without an alpha channel it's just that it would be pointless since we cannot distinguish between more than 16.7 million (the number that 24 binary digits can represent) different colors. So graphics chip vendors stopped colour variations at 24 bit and used the next 8 bits to represent transparency. A stencil buffer is most often used to create shadows in 3D games. With a 24 bit Z buffer, vertices can be sorted into any one of 16.7 million positions from the camera to the horizon in the 3D environment. This is quite a lot and more than sufficient for current scenes.
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#33739 Posted on: 10/31/2001 03:33 PM
3dmark2k1
1.4ghz AMD
GeForce2
winXP Pro
21.85 =3398
22.50 =4066
No ARtifacts and no problems in UT,Black & White,Half-life,Counter-strike,Tribes2. EXCELLENT DRIVERS..as far as that guy saying about z=buffer, mine shows 32bit with the 22.50, but 24bit with 21.85..weird.
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#33742 Posted on: 10/31/2001 03:47 PM
Im the one who first posted about the annilator pro, and i have the same card, but i have had serious performance increases.
have you updated the bios? i'm using the original one, but was gonna update it to the version3 one but wasnt sure.
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#33743 Posted on: 10/31/2001 05:39 PM
AthlonXP 1.53(1800+)
256M PC2100 DDR (CAS2, 1T, 4-Way)
GF3@240/530
WinXP Pro
I gained 192 marks in 3DM2001 (7190 -> 7382)
And the biggest improvement:
I can exit DAoC without my system restarting!! WOOHOO!
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CRAZY performance increase!
Creative annihalator pro (GeForce DDR)
3dMARK 2001 scores
12.90 <-- 2689 (creative 3dblaster driver release)
21.85 <--2569 (creative 3dblaster driver release)
22.50 <--3011
That's alot more points, considering its an aging geforce ddr.