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blomman
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Re: It was not your country

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If it were not for the USA all of your Europeans pansies would be speaking German. So when peace must be preserved you must prepare for war. The next attack could be Paris or Berlin or Madrid.

If it were not for the Europeans you wouldnt exist so stfu :evil:

03-21-2003 10:04 PM
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Screw weapons of mass destruction.... Sadam is a terrible dictator who should have been destroyed 5 years ago because he oppresses his people. The only problem is, he gives his son's almost as much power as himself, so we can't just assasinate him, which is why war is required.

Weapons of mass desctruction are nice, but EVEN if he didn't have mass weapons, I still would have supported war against this terrible and ruthless dictator and his sons who are just as bad (man, you don't want to hear the stuff I've heard about U/Odai).

03-21-2003 10:06 PM
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Freedom of speech

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You know what??? You guys are FREAKIN amazing!!!!

Tell your opinion to the Families of 911 or better yet. MOVE TO FREAKIN BAGHDAD and see how you can express you opinions there...

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JUST GIVE US THE TECH NEWS, KEEP POLITICS OUT and your STUPID OPINION..

03-21-2003 10:18 PM
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Terrible people should be removed, regardless of what weapons they have. The alternate to war is so much worse (40 + plus years of Sadam, then next comes his son for antoher 40 + years).

President Bush has told China and Japan they better start taking care of N Korea while US deals with Iraq (another terrible person/he watches his donald duck collection while people get tortured in death camps).

Yes, war is bad, but the alternative (doing nothing) is SO MUCH WORSE!!
AS for the UN, Iraq was on the disarmormeant commitee... what does that tell you about the UN. Iraq?!?!?!? Disarmormeant?!?!?!

03-21-2003 10:33 PM
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People who are against this are nothing more than gutless cowards. You can protest all you want but what gives the U.S. the authority is most of the nations of the world are afraid to do anything. We should have nuked Afganastan when we found out that worthless POS Bin Laden was there ,That would have put an end to him, seems to me these dips voted for Clinton . That worthless POS is to blame for this deal , as a matter of fact he probably set us up for the sept suprise he probably cut a deal with Bin Laden to not do anything or maybe he contributed to his legal defence fund no doubt . Oh and also I still don't understand Why did Clinton bomb the peace loving people of Iraq after all what did they do to us . Humm must have been that suiside squad Saddam was sending here . Yea thats it.

03-21-2003 11:04 PM
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Iraq

I respect the opinions of the webmasters. However, it would seem Bush has taken every diplomatic effort to avoid war. He was patient with the U.N., and gave Hussein himself chance after chance. None of us like war, but we don't have to like it to use it and know when it might be necessary. This war is for the benefit of the world, and particularly to Americans and Iraqis.

I do feel that much anti-U.S. sentiment is unjustified. America is a peace-loving nation and is trying to target Saddam...not the Iraqis. Hopefully, if stability is indeed brought to the region, it will trickle into the Muslim community. Then, Muslims will little by little come to see that America means well.

I saw an encouraging scene today: American soldiers and Iraqis gathered together in peace today, while one Iraqi beat a poster of Saddam with his shoe. Seeing that tells me this war is and will be worth it, in the long run.

03-21-2003 11:32 PM
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i tend to agree with the majority. This is a tech website, and though everyone has a right to an opinion I also have a right to come here to check TECH news and not see your anti-war attitude pressed upon me. I wish i could say the same to the Dixie Chicks (gag) or Fred Durst, your job and what the American public pay you to do is sing and entertain, so do it without pressing your personal views onto everyone.

Also....in the letter he thanked the pres for showing that Turkey can't be bought...thats a joke I just watched on CNN as the Turkish troops entered Iraq....everyone has their price. The coalition increased from 30 countries to 45 within the first day of the war. GG hypocrites....ya the war is so wrong, until they are sure the US is kickin ass, then it's OK to join so that they get recognition for it. Go USA, I'm proud to be here, proud to be born here, and proud that my country has the balls to defend what is right and stand up to assholes like Saddam. We all know that maybe a year or two down the road, if nothing had been done and Saddam was given the chance to continue being so "innocent" and such a great guy and he attacked the US by way of terrorists or what have you, all these anti-war schmucks would be like "Bush why didn't you do something when you had the chance"......spare me

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As an aside, I'm noticing the small post count of many posters in this thread. It looks like many of us (including myself) registered specifically to post in this topic (though I personally intend to be an active poster on the forums after this thread). This issue sure is a passionate one. Smile

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Although everyone has their right to their own opinion, I would like to keep this as professional as possible, and to not discriminate people at this time of war based on where they live and who or what they believe in. If its seen happening, posts will be deleted.


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Well I think the war on Iraq is needed.

The UN have been trying to disarm Iraq for 12 Years, we could have avoided war if saddam had given up his weapons but no he didn't and the French president did not help the UN by say he will veto anything put forward which just goes to show he was more intrested in keeping his $130 million trade with Iraq than making sure peace was the way to go (what a worm :x ).
What are we supposed to do?, do we leave saddam in power and let him murder more of his people?, do we leave him with weapons of mass distruction which he WILL sell to terrorist groups which will use it on our home countries and that includes ALL of us.
Come on people get a grip, his time is up and war has begun and nothing you or I can do about it, the end of Saddam is close and I for one will be pleased, let the people of Iraq be free to live in peace Smile.

If you agree with my small comments is not important but one thing I hope you will agree with me is that all our prays and thoughts go out to all our troops fighting and the inoccent civils caught up in this conflict.

03-22-2003 12:29 AM
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Time for another sign up to give a little balance to this atypical dreck.. Lets start with this dillusion that Innocent Americans lives are worth more then any other innocent life, to everyone who argues the "Think of 9/11 victims" you are completely full of shit, American Mothers love their children more then other Mothers? no, don't think so.. For the record I knew a person that was killed in WTC attacks. Any idea how many innocent lives were ended at the hands of Americas Government? *hint, it has 6 zeros* (note, I use Americans Government as it in no way represents what American really is anymore) Any idea how many dicators were put in power by Americas Government? How about the poster with the utterly ignorant idea that Iraq funds terrorism.. Do you not know about Americans Government aiding Saddam when he was at War with Iran? Or when the CIA trained and supported Bin Laden and his men against the Soviets? nope of course not, and all the statements I just made are ***FACT*** not my opinion. So why wait years to bring Saddamn down? (yes he is bad, but I am not a fan of the lesser of two evils mindset) Want to know the sole reason the Govenment does what it does? because its in the best interest of said "leaders" they do not give a rats ass about the people. They want the oil and they want control of it, end of story, well not really the end, as the reason they want to control the oil is to control the people, but thats another topic. What does that mean? that means in all likelyhood thousands more people will die as a result of this war, so you can fill your Car/SUV up on the weekend to go buy some more meaningless artifacts in an attempt to give meaning to your exsistance, ie. The (un)American Way&copy;

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Our overriding purpose, from the beginning through to the present day, has been world domination- that is, to build and maintain the capacity to coerce everybody else on the planet: nonviolently, if possible; and violently if neccessary. But the purpose of US foriegn policy of domination is not just to make the rest of the world jump through hoops; the purpose is to facilitate our exploitatoin of resources.

-Ramsey Clark, former US Attorney General


I could go on and on point to more facts and interesting stipulatios. I suspect most people like me are fed up with the ignorance of the "For killing" group which is why there are no responses from them. It's ironic really, every person I have ever seen try to defend war has no clue as to why, they just re-hash what the TV told them, or spout off a bunch of competely selfish and hedonistic bull.

This has little to do with it now as it has already started, I hope for a quick end to this whole thing and as little innocent death as possible. Remeber America is the Land of the Free, not the Land of Double standards and "its good enough" I am proud to be an American, But Geoge Bush is not my leader.

http://www.americanfreedomnews.com/afn_a...ecrets.htm

Of course this goes on and on, the Yale University Bonesmen, etc etc.

People need to wake up and smell Reality, Truth is the first casualty of War.

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Greetings from Baghdad! I only have a very little time right now to try to
send you information about the trip over and the conditions here in Iraq.
This is stream of consciousness writing and I will do my best to help you
see what I am seeing.

We left from California, LAX to Amsterdam, laid over in Amsterdam for 7
wonderful hours and then to Amman Jordan. In Amsterdam we took a train into
the center of the city with all of our buttons on saying Women for Peace. I
Couldn't believe the number of people who expressed their support of
Americans going to Iraq, to work for peace. We arrived in Amman at 2:30 AM
and quickly rushed to vans that transported us out of the city. In the
airport at Amman were several women in conservative Muslim dress. One of
them approached me and asked if I was going to Iraq. She was a Palestinian
who lived in San Francisco on her way to Palestine. She expressed fear.
She had not allowed her children to make the trip but needed to see her
parents. Her eyes were clear and direct and she blessed me for going to
Iraq.

"We must stop all this fighting," she told me. "All of us feel the pain and
it is too much, regardless of our religion or who we are. I will pray that
you are successful." Another conversation in the Muslim bathroom where a
woman helped me to the "western style" toilet in the back of the bathroom.
Another woman explained what my button meant. She quickly kissed my check
and began to cry. Welcome to the very intense, emotionally charged world of
the Middle East.

Amman was gently rolling hills with tiny minarets peeping up over the low,
white brick city. Once we were out of the city we changed to large suburban
vans and were on our way, twelve hours across the desert. A cameraman in my
van explained that I was about to experience Mad Max Arab style. Huge
tanker trucks blew by, some at 100 miles per hour, trucking gas and oil out
of the desert. As we drove deep into the desert the blackness of the night
desert contrasted with the billions and zillions of stars. The sky was just
stunning. Five hours later and the light turned a pale, pale blue. We
stopped in a tiny "strip" village along the road and entered a long open
building. A "cafe." A man sat and warmed his hands on a tiny oil stove. It
was so cold so I also sat and stretched out my hands. I smiled and he
averted his eyes.

We sat at a table and ate a breakfast of very spicy lamb with flatbread and
fresh tiny cucumbers while desert men, with long caftans and heads wrapped
in black checked scarves leaned against the wall and stared. Soft
mutterings explained who we were (or who they thought we were) to the new
men entering the cafe. WE joked with the cafe "owner" about some Arabic
words that sound like very obscene words in English. He understood enough
English to know what we were saying and soon we were all hysterical and the
whole building was, briefly, laughing at our laughter. A very brief but
nice moment of "breaking the ice."

The border took 2 hours as we were processed. There in the middle of the
desert we meet human aid workers from Sweden, Cuba and France while
processing our papers. We were served Iraqi tea in tiny little glasses with
small spoons and lots of sugar. It was delicious. An apparent big Iraqi
official paced outside. He had the longest moustache I have ever seen.
Cell phones are not allowed in Iraq, a result of the sanctions, so some of
our group had to check their cell phones, to be returned when we leave.

The desert was just endless, hours and hours of flat sand, with occasional
rolling hills of sand and a very few Bedouins out with their herds of sheep.
I wondered where in the world they could possibly be going? There was
nothing out there. Nothing. And finally, Baghdad! The first impression on
the outskirts was crumbling flat buildings of concrete and mud, and poverty,
poverty, poverty. As we entered the city we passed a section of stores with
western style wedding dresses. Colorful neon lights and white dresses. It
looked like Mexico City Arab style. The shops were all open stalls, some
enclosed with glass, with food, clothes, but no electronics.

WE came into the center of the city as the sun dropped below the horizon.
After settling into our rooms which were so shabby and poor, with dirty
carpet, shredded furniture and a western style toilet with a pink seat that
fell off at the slightest provocation. At least we did not have to squat as
in some hotels. How do they do it?

Our first full day in the city left me with these impressions: The Iraqi
people were genuine in their welcome of us. They were friendly and warm.
Normal people on the street came to us with hellos and welcome. The society
is crumbling as the deprivation caused by the UN/US imposed sanctions
corrodes the quality of life.

The children's hospital was heart wrenching. Uranium depletion has created
a whole new level of cancer in children and newborns.
(http://www.anacortesonline.com/Article.tpl?id=634) Tiny little bodies with
huge eyes lined the wards. Their mothers waiting by their side, waiting for
the certain death that is to come. This was a very tough visit and several
in the delegation broke down. WE took Polaroid's of each child and gave the
photo to their mother. The hospital was in terrible shape and the staff was
obviously outraged as they spoke of the deterioration of what was once a
very good, functioning, system of socialized medicine.

We have learned now from the number of international aid people working here
in Baghdad that the sanctions prevent most forms of cancer treatment for the
Iraqi people. Here's how it works: The Iraqi's are allowed "food for Oil:
supposedly. But 45% of the $$ goes for administrative costs of the
Sanctions program. The Iraqis first must make contracts with foreign
companies for medicine and food. Those contracts are then sent to the UN
committee where at times they sit for months and in a few instances, more
than a year. Then the contracts are partially granted. If anything can be
used, even derivatively, for "weapons of mass destruction", it is denied.
So, for instance, when they asked for the equipment to draw blood for blood
banks which they so desperately need, they were given the blood bags but not
the syringes. So the blood bags were warehoused while they waited for the
syringes (which have never come) and then they were accused of warehousing
the humanitarian supplies.

We heard so many stories like this from both the Iraqi medical people and
the international humanitarian relief workers. The humanitarian relief
workers were enraged at the sanctions. One of them termed it genocide. So
many instances of systematic depravation. Vaccines denied. People dying of
perfectly treatable diseases. Pleas to send children out of the country for
treatment. Waiting for an answer while the child wastes away. The city is
crumbling. Repairs are not possible. We pass what were once so obviously
beautiful gardens along the River Tigris that are now dried and decayed, the
arbors protruding like skeletal ribs on a dying carcass. There is a quiet
desperation here. A waiting. And an attempt to carry on.

Last night we went to a theater where a comedy was performed. We could not
understand a word but it was so fun to see a live performance. The
performers were astonishing, big talents here. As I listened to the
laughter I realized that we opps, I now have to go. My time is up.. I will
write more later. So much to tell! Love to you all. Please work for Peace.
There is nothing here to bomb but people, people just like you and me who
only want to live. Love, Sand

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The fact that you get your info from those conspiracy/anti-US web pages make you less creditable. And dont even get me started on those tank shells we have which their tips are made of Depleted Uranium. The articles blaming the Gulf War syndrome on us are utterly brainwashing materials, im supprised you didnt know the dangerous of reading internet doccuments.

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Yes, I registered for kicks, I run a website that does files that most of you have probably been to if you have been here. We opted NOT to place any war crap on there because it is overcovered everywhere. We opted to stick to business. Only thing worse is seeing the war discussed on a gaming site Wink


As an update and for those disliking the protestors. I agree, I just saw Chicago and it was peaceful and I respect that. I dont respect people blocking traffic and using our tax money to have them arrested as well as our needed police force. It accomplishes nothing. As I said, there a word for those of us who dont go to protests, for or against: EMPLOYED. Anyway, CNN just showed the US and Brits in the first city. The Iraqis were helping tear down Sadaams pictures, LITERALLY dancing in the streets and hugging, kissing and just wanting to touch and thank the soldiers. That, following a few small protests on TV almost brought tears to my eyes, but instead I was so happy for those people that I was laughing and smiling with my son. What a great day.

What do you have to say to that? Hopefully that your sorry you got wrapped up into BS, because for all the anti war crap, there it is on live TV and its beautiful.

Good luck to our troops and the Iraqi people.


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As an aside, I'm noticing the small post count of many posters in this thread. It looks like many of us (including myself) registered specifically to post in this topic (though I personally intend to be an active poster on the forums after this thread). This issue sure is a passionate one. Smile

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Get out your notepad's children... school's in.

1991 - Saddam Hussein capitulates to the UN (pay attention here children... the UN OK'd the war in '91) and signed a CEASE FIRE TREATY. For all of you French and German appeasers that is like when the little cheese-eating, wine-drinking, non-bathing people layed down their guns for that NAZI monster home grown by the now "passive" (cause WE beat the shit out of them in WWII BTW) German land of luxury cars and LAN parties. Now modern day... 17 BROKEN UN RESOLUTIONS LATER Saddam Hussein has RESISTED ALL PEACEFUL means of disarming; he has REPEATEDLY shot at our surveillance planes in the designated NO FLY ZONE in nothern IRAQ in defiance of the UN restrictions. What do we call shooting at someone during peacetime/ceasefire? AN ACT OF WAR and a resumption of prior AGRESSIONS. And if you want to debate the EXISTENCE of WMD's by Iraq go into your little hut and have your tribesman crank up your electric generator donated by our RED CROSS and open a can of that yummy HUMANITARIAN AID PACKAGE from the US and turn on CNN on your JAPANESE TV (who also support the war BTW) and look at the scud missiles coming from Iraq at US troops, Israel and Kuwait... DIDN'T IRAQ CLAIM IN THEIR O' SO COMPLETE 12,000 PAGE DOCU-DUMP TO HAVE DISARMED AND NOT HAVE SCUDS. Aren't SCUDS dissallowed by the UN resolutions? Isn't Hans Blix NOW saying IRAQ is in CLEAR MATERIAL BREACH OF ALL UN RESOLUTIONS INCLUDING THE RECENT 1441? My country men, soldiers, in MY country are dying in firefights WE DON'T have to have to free the IRAQI people and MY tax dollars are paying for it. We could just drop a f'n nuke on the whole country and not lose a single American, but no... we are trying to do MINIMAL damage to the Iraqi people and JUST hit hard targets and fair military targets (Saddam is the HEAD of the military BTW children) while Saddam is trying to cause ecological damage by planning to dump oil into the sea and lighting his countries oil supply on fire... WHICH HE ALSO CLAIMED HE WOULDN'T DO! Also to the oh so eloquent and politically uninformed staff of Warp2search (brilliant tech guys BTW), the Iraqi people have NEVER been given a chance to CHOOSE their form of government. Go watch an A&E biography on Saddam Hussein sometime; 2 weeks in office he holds a session of parlament and has a speaker read a list of names that oppose him as leader (a military coupe BTW after the prior president mysteriously resigns out of the blue) while in the audience, among the members of parliament, Saddams troops escort the opposers outside forcefully and promptly executes them? Should Tony Blair EXECUTE the Tories? Did George Bush EXECUTE Al Gore? You have no concept of world governments my friends... we are GIVING them a chance at democracy which they have NEVER had. If you TRULY think America is so bad, have the gonads to take a stand. Boycott ALL US goods. Stop buying our software and games and movies and burgers and clothes and cars and PC's and Shoes and Electronics ... etc. Otherwise, sit down... shut the F UP, have a Big Mac and a Coke and support the liberation of Iraq. Thank you for your time in reading this Gentlemen.

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I have great respect for this site. It is probably my favorite Tech site. I come here for Tech News... Not politics. I am a proud member of the Military and am offended by the Notice on the front page. I don't mind this thread since everyone is entitled to their own views, however I don't think it belongs on your front page.

Great site, but you guys just lost alot of respect from me. Sorry. Peace is great, but not realistic. If he was left alone eventually something would happen directly from him or he could end up supplying Al Queda or another group with things that they would use against the US or many other Nations. Action was needed.

Please remove the front page notice...
Respectfully,

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