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64bits colour?

24 bits of colour means roughly 16mil colors.


That's true if we were looking at a nice 2d jpg on the screen.

Here is an example of non rendered 24 bit color:



Here is an example of rendered 24 bit color:



8 shades each of red, green, and blue = 24 bit color does it not?

How can we have realistically rendered graphics when under a 24 bit limitation?

Show me the best, most impressive graphics you've ever seen in your life.


Oh please, it's more than colors. Look at the detail. Consider polygon count. The colors look so smooth and realisitic in the car picture because there's so much detail. It would take an amazing amount of polygons (and skill) to create an image from the ground up to look anything remotely like that.

IMO, color count is fine. Also, consider lighting, Doom3 looks so realistic and has such power-hungry requirements because of it's out-of-this-world graphics engine, more specifically, the lighting effects. They're beautiful and very detailed.

03-06-2005 07:37 PM
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rtz Wrote:
8 shades each of red, green, and blue = 24 bit color does it not?


No, that is not correct.
24bit colour means 2^24= 16,777,216 colours
The fact that computers split the 24bits into 3 groups of 8bits (each for red, green and blue) is caused by the way the human eye perceives light. that makes makes 2^8 = 256 shades of each primary color. combined they give:
2^8 * 2^8 * 2^8 = 2^24 = 16,777,216 colours.
Not sure if that is 4th or 5th grade math.

03-06-2005 07:44 PM
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Wow how many times have i seen a thread discuss these nonsensical items...

What resolution does the average TV produce? And how about colors huh?

Given the new breed of 720p and 1080i HDTV's have the best movie playback. Yet they are still among the most undesirable screens to game on. When i buy any new monitor i always need to make the ultimate choice, for gaming or video.

Toky's synopsis of your hardcore console gamer....Very arrogant and that blocks their ignorance when it boils down too graphics. 3dmark 01 looks like shit too me know, but at the time and its duration it was simply amazing. Same with the games of 01-02. This is actually the current mindset on graphics for most console gamers. In other words anything will be a hit, and impressing the PC gamers is not a goal.

Ps3 and Xbox2 will be of 9800pro GPU caliber and rely mostly on the CPU's rendering frames. Hopefully they will be dam sure their effects codes and shaders are heavily dynamic. The long run counts!

Then again all of us know nothing of whats too come. Its a whole new ball game when the gaming industry can hold a high percentile divorce rate in some countries.

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How many colours do you want to see on screen?
A 1024x768 screen is 786,432 pixels. If every one was a different colour thats less than 1 million colours, nowhere near 16 million. Bear in mind that you can choose any colours from the pallette of 16 million too. So why do you want more colours again??

You really do know nothing of whats to come.
Leave "us" out of it!

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Atleast Rtz finaly got too post that pic of his car

Oy i remember a 64bit color arguement when i was using Voodoo2 cards.

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Dont smite the toky, Doral Menthol sponsored stang machine!

03-06-2005 08:08 PM
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It's not mine. Just an example of the difference between real looking jpg's and unreal looking 3D graphics.

Show me better graphics then this:



Something that looks "real".

03-06-2005 08:17 PM
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Dammit you beat me too it

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03-06-2005 08:18 PM
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rtz Wrote:
It's not mine. Just an example of the difference between real looking jpg's and unreal looking 3D graphics.

Show me better graphics then this:


Something that looks "real".


It just doesnt sink in!
Where is the 24bit limitation?

I can write a program that uses 2 colours on a 24 bit colour screen. Darn, 24bit resolution is really crap, it only displays 2 colours.

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dooby sucks

let me guess dooby, your running your pc on intel and nvidia, anyone that uses that shit is stupid any ways and the xbox isnt a multi tasking machine, can you search the web on it, can you type up a word document, no all you can do is listen to music and play vids thats a pretty crapy multi task and besides that the xbox is like buying a three hundred dollar e machine and even my mom had enough brains not to buy that peice, look microsoft is crap, all they know how to do is steal technology so i wouldnt be suprised if they just copied the playstation, plus name ten good xbox titles that arent released on playstation. besides that the xbox came out 2 years after the playstion, and the ps2 was still better, more comfortable controller, not having to buy a friggin remote to watch a dvd now that is microsoft at its money grubbin finest.


intel,xbox,nvidia,and msi suck, alot
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Hl2 "Fun in the sun SHot"

JPG viewable here offsite BMP link. 1600x1200 72dpi Screen Shot. 1600x1200 32bbc Max Detail, Max Image, 8xS AA, 16X AF.

BE SURE TO CHECK OUT A BITMAP IMAGE of this on the bottom. BMP > JPG



http://toky.cjb.net/hl212.bmp

If the size of the first pic iritates an admin sorry Sad

HL2 Screen shots look great printed on a Plotter! Got some kickass posters!

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tillathekilla Wrote:
let me guess dooby, your running your pc on intel and nvidia, anyone that uses that shit is stupid any ways and the xbox isnt a multi tasking machine, can you search the web on it, can you type up a word document, no all you can do is listen to music and play vids thats a pretty crapy multi task and besides that the xbox is like buying a three hundred dollar e machine and even my mom had enough brains not to buy that peice, look microsoft is crap, all they know how to do is steal technology so i wouldnt be suprised if they just copied the playstation, plus name ten good xbox titles that arent released on playstation. besides that the xbox came out 2 years after the playstion, and the ps2 was still better, more comfortable controller, not having to buy a friggin remote to watch a dvd now that is microsoft at its money grubbin finest.


You do waffle!
You also guess wrong Smile

The difference between me and you is that I am realistic and know how hardware works. The XBox is just as capable of multitasking in exactly the same way the PC can multitask. They are almost the same hardware duh.

You need to do some research and learn a lot.
You can install linux on an XBox and run a word processor. There are many keyboard/mice you can plug into the xbox. You can even install windows using an emulator on Linux.
Are you still under the impression that the XBox isnt PC architecture?
What on earth has a game controller got to do with 24bit colour rendering?

ps how stupid you are can be measured by the number of unqualifiable and incorrect statements you make.

oh yes, how does the xbox run an FTP server while running the dashboard and taking input from the control whilst simultaneously processing the system commands and updating the system clock, connecting to XBox live etc etc. That isnt multi tasking then?

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Dooby Wrote:
Where is the 24bit limitation?


The in game lighting is limited by it.

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c4_toky Wrote:
Hl2 "Fun in the sun SHot"

JPG viewable here offsite BMP link. 1600x1200 72dpi Screen Shot. 1600x1200 32bbc Max Detail, Max Image, 8xS AA, 16X AF.

BE SURE TO CHECK OUT A BITMAP IMAGE of this on the bottom. BMP > JPG


What has that got to do with the ability of the hardware to render enough colours. If a game doesnt look like real life, thats cos its the best the coders of the game could do at the time.
The hardware can still display more colours than you can tell the difference between yet you still want more colours. You have even proved this by showing a photo, clearly demostrating that 24bit colour is not a limitation.

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rtz Wrote:

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Where is the 24bit limitation?


The in game lighting is limited by it.


Wrong

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Dooby stop trying too fight.......I have absolutely no involvement in the your Color misgivings.

I simply saw a great opportunity too post some real screen shots. So maybe by chance a console gamer will see what they might get. If it lives up too the hipe. My 6800u runs that at about 28 FPS Avg. (Fraped) In essence the Cell, PS3, Xbox2 should out doo this. That would ensure some great hardware longevity.

LIFE ISN'T MADE OUT OF POLYGONS!

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