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janus
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n0_cArR1eR Wrote:

I too have recently purchased a 9600 Pro 128 (the Tyan version), and was hoping to smoke my old Geforce 4 Ti4200 in all benchmarks, and I have except for 3dmark 2001. My current system specs:

Athlon XP 2200+ (stock speed)
MSI K7N2 Delta ISLR mobo
GeIL 512 Megs PC3200 CL2

3dmark 2003 scores come up at around 8000 (sorry, no specific numbers, I'm running from memory here as I can't bench it atm)
Aquamark comes out at 25,000+
And with 3dmark 2001 I get around 10800. Back in the day I was able to pull 11k out of my GF4 with 3dmark 2001, but I can't remember if I was OCing the card or if that was simply from tweaking on my memory with my old mobo and RAM. After I bought the card I upgraded to the MSI board and the faster RAM, hoping that having 8x AGP and faster RAM would help out, but it only helped a little. So to a degree I'm a little disapointed with the 3dmark 2001 scores, but all other benchmarks look good, and I have noticed performance increases in a couple of games. So overall I think it was worth it. Not to mention I'll be able to play Half Life 2 (someday) and Doom 3. Big Grin

I'd like to see an 8000 score in 3dmark03. The Radeon 9800XT (ATI's brand new VPU) gets 6100 with an athlon 2600.

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Pentium 4C 2.4 GHz (HT)
Intel D875PBZ
2x512 MB PC3200
Radeon 9700 Pro All in Wonder & 19" FD Trinitron (1600x1200@85Hz)
200 GB HD Space (120 GB WD SE, 80 GB WD)
SB Audigy & Logitech Z-680 Speakers (DTS, DD, THX)
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10-12-2003 05:09 AM

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why you return the g-force fx for radeon 9600 my g- force fx 5600 3d mark 2k1 13145 and 3dmark 2k3 3420 and aquamark3 23560 why.. why ..

10-12-2003 06:25 AM

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Hard core bottleneck

AthlonXP 2800+ Barton
MSI K7N2-L Nforce2
BFG 6600GT OC
1.5GB DDR333 Dual Channel
16x Pioneer DVD. 48x Lite-On RW.
2x Seagate Baracuda 80GB
Audigy 2ZS w/ 5.1 speakers

10-12-2003 07:46 AM

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hmm there seems to be a difference in opinon in the way some ppl are saying to return the card, and others say to reinstall windows.

when i changed the card all i did was use the add/remove progs in the control panel, uninstall the nvidia stuff then instaled the catalysts.

can someone also please explain why having reminants of the nvidia drivers can be responsible for getting such lousy performance?

Any help is greatly appreciated

10-12-2003 09:28 AM

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After upgrading my Ti-4200 with an Ati 9800 Pro all OpenGL games ran at nice 2-3 fps and Direct3D performance was very poor as well. I really recommend formating your harddrive and doing a clean isntraltion of windows, it is the only choice to ensure that your R9600 Pro is running as it is meant to be.

The NVIDIA driver remains will likely 'cause perforamnce hits and incompatibility problems. Another solution may be removing the NVIDIA driver from the control planel followed by cleaning your system with the little app called Driver Cleaner. Make sure to use it for both NVIDIA and Ati files. Then reboot and install the Catalyst again. Maybe it will fix the performance problems you are experiencing but likely you do have to reinstall windows. The uninstall fuction of NVIDIA drivers is really crappy as is Windows XP behaviour of installing the latest WHQL driver you currently want rid of again and again.

10-12-2003 09:38 AM

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i have run driver cleaner and there is no difference. i get 8998 in 3dmark 2001 Sad

if i format the drive what numbers should i be getting? should they break the 10000 mark.

Also what should i be getting in the unreal 2003 benchmark?

Thank you for your help

10-12-2003 10:25 AM

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You should do better than that. I got that score with a geforce 3 ti500 and an athlon 2000

10-12-2003 04:28 PM

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:o

what is the problem? i have dun everything now!

my homework awaits!!!!!!

10-12-2003 09:31 PM

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Um, sorry to tell you this, but there could be 1000's of things wrong.
Most likely its a faulty card.

If you want someone to help you maybe you should post your exact system specifications, and not just "generic" non desciptive remarks.
For example I have a Gigabyte FN-L1 mainboard, 2500 barton cpu, 2 sticks of pc3200 cl 2.5 memory, all running stock speeds. My vid card is a GF3 special edition TI500 (with the faster mem) I have it running at 100mhz AGP bus speed (with a + .1 voltage) with overclocked mem 600mhz and a core speed of 275 (I modified the cooling on the vid card).

Thats just my basic system specs, I could go into even more detail about my bios settings.

Something you might want to check, is your AGP aperature setting at or above 64 meg? If its below 64 that will disable any benefit of AGP all together. Also, you do realize that framerates are also dependant on monitor refresh rate? If you have set your graphics card to force vsync you could be limiting your frame rates in the demos.

Tweaking your memory / bios settings is a good place to start.

10-13-2003 01:00 PM

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Putting AGP aperture above 64 MB is pointless unless your video card has very little memory. AGP aperture is how much physical RAM the system sets aside for AGP texturing if needed. There is no reason to set this high, and if it's below 64 MB, it doesn't "disable" AGP, where do you people come up with this stuff? In another thread someone said "Put it as high as you can, even if it's more than 512 MB" Why? That serves no purpose. Similarly, for a 128 MB card, 64 MB is probably more than enough. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't. In any case, you do bring up a good point about vsync. 10 bucks says it's enabled, and that would be why your scores are so crappy.

10-13-2003 01:07 PM

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AGP aperature does have a drastic effect, but its at 16 meg setting not 64. I don't know why I had 64 in my head today, I am getting more forgetful as I age.

Anyway, I dare you to lower your agp aperature below 16meg and show me undoctored scores that are the same as it was before you lowerd it.
I know for a fact that if its lower than 16meg in bios it will efectively disable agp 2x, 4x, 8x, and sidebanding, rendering your card a basic agp 1x card.

Do a google and you will see 1000's of posts from reputable sites exaplining the 16meg scenario. So I was wrong abou the number not the effect.

10-13-2003 01:20 PM

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Have you guys checked if agp is disabled?

That happened to me...

Check in dxdiag

Or in 3d mark

Or in Rivatuner

If youre running a geforce card ...and an Nforce...and you uninstall the Geforce..for a ati...you need to reInstall the nforce Drivers.....

The gart needs to be installed

It's not a bottleneck...on a 2ghz?
Gimme a break....

Try re-installing your motherboard drivers

10-14-2003 01:51 AM

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ok heres the full spec:

P4 2ghz northwood FSB 400mhz
512 DDR RAM CL2.5 (generic unbranded)
MSI 845 AR motherboard with AGP 4x enabled
Connect3d ati Radeon 9600 pro clocked at 400/600 with fast writes and side band addressing enabled
LG 4320B combo drive
MSI 52X CD ROM drive
XP pro sp1

Now pls sum1 help??

10-14-2003 05:32 PM

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We've been helping, but you haven't told us if any of this stuff has helped or anything. You're sure vsync is disabled?

10-14-2003 06:27 PM

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i have tried everything that u guys suggested but it makes no difference

V sync is app preference, but in halo/ut2003 i get no where near 85fps; very laggy

10-14-2003 07:13 PM

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