ExtremeTech: Round 1
Posted by: NewsFactory on: 05/16/2003 01:25 PM [ Print | 32 comment(s) ] · 1806 views
Hehe I find this funny, as Kyle at [H]ardOCP jumps in to defend Nvidia! As most of you know we at Warp2 get nothing from Nvidia, ATI or any other hardware manufacturer.
So I'll say this: if Nvidia, or ATI for that matter, have the fastest graphics card they would be showing you a round up of benchmarks from the latest games. (One thing that bugs me, Mr Games Developer: how about adding some benchmark tools with your games?) And not just 3DMark scores, as they would want to know what you are benchmarking and doing with there cards even before they send them to you for review! Now over to Kyle.
Two days after Extremetech was not given the opportunity to benchmark DOOM3, they come out swinging heavy charges of Nvidia intentionally inflating benchmark scores in 3DMark03. What is interesting here is that Extremetech uses tools not at Nvidia's disposal to uncover the reason behind the score inflations.
These tools are not "given" to Nvidia anymore as they will not pay the tens of thousands of dollars required to be on the "beta program" for 3DMark "membership".
Rancho*: Well I wonder how Beyond3D.com managed to pay the "tens of thousands" to be a beta program member then. But anyway...
ExtremeTech: Round 1
So I'll say this: if Nvidia, or ATI for that matter, have the fastest graphics card they would be showing you a round up of benchmarks from the latest games. (One thing that bugs me, Mr Games Developer: how about adding some benchmark tools with your games?) And not just 3DMark scores, as they would want to know what you are benchmarking and doing with there cards even before they send them to you for review! Now over to Kyle.
Two days after Extremetech was not given the opportunity to benchmark DOOM3, they come out swinging heavy charges of Nvidia intentionally inflating benchmark scores in 3DMark03. What is interesting here is that Extremetech uses tools not at Nvidia's disposal to uncover the reason behind the score inflations.
These tools are not "given" to Nvidia anymore as they will not pay the tens of thousands of dollars required to be on the "beta program" for 3DMark "membership".
Rancho*: Well I wonder how Beyond3D.com managed to pay the "tens of thousands" to be a beta program member then. But anyway...
ExtremeTech: Round 1
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chris_exe Unregistered |
#43941 Posted on: 05/17/2003 06:21 PM
For god sake why is that brand loyalty ????????????? I have an nforce 2 mobo so im hardly anti nvidia. The 9700 is capable of anything the FX5900 is, its just not as fast. Personally i upgrade cards to get more feartures not more speed, unless the speed is way to slow to be usuable. The 9700np will play doom3 and halflife 2 perfectly well so getting an FX 5900 would be a waste of hundereds of £/$. A GF 4 TI or for that matter an 8500 wont have all the features in hardware so an FX would be a worthy upgrade for those cards. |
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chris_exe Unregistered |
#43942 Posted on: 05/17/2003 06:25 PM
If you can afford both be my guest, try them out on your PC. In my experience the best 2D is... 1. Matrox 2. ATI 3. S3 4. Nvidia 5. SIS Intel varies quite a lot but id say it was between 3 and 5 depending on the card/mobo . |
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BigBerthaEA Unregistered |
#43944 Posted on: 05/17/2003 06:29 PM
"I have an nforce 2 mobo so im hardly anti nvidia." Oh? In just another thread you posted the following: "They dont need to cheat to get my money. Nvidia do, and the act of cheating means they wont get it anyway" You can say they cheated all you like if it makes you feel better. It is not like driver issues have not been discovered by other websites about "other" hardware vendors. You just contradicted yourself with two consecutive posts.... I am not saying they did or didn't, but it sure seems many people are rushing in to pile on the "nVidia cheated" bandwagon without anything but a couple of screenshots and the words of one website. I prefer to wait for the facts to emerge before I pass judgement. That seems to be a rare trait in people these days....especially in forums like this and others. Cya. |
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chris_exe Unregistered |
#43945 Posted on: 05/17/2003 06:46 PM
I was refering to the graphics chips, particularly the FX, and not the mobo chips so i wasnt contradicting myself at all. If you cant see that then you must be dumb or blinded by bias yourself. To my knowledge they havent 'cheated' or should i say 'overlooked' anything in their chipset drivers, although the nforce 2 drivers do have an issue with some CD-RW drives, but its easily fixed and is only a genuine bug.If i had discovered that the nforce 2 was falsely reporting CPU speed or something like that then it would go straight in the bin. As i have said i dont really care if it is a Bug or a cheat, because we already have seen real, undeniable cheats from nvidias FX drivers, so its a moot point. As for the 'other hardware vendors' (i guess you mean ATI), the last cheat im aware of was the quake/quack thing. This was very minor in comparison to this and in actual fact nvidia did the same thing on a bigger scale in quake 3. It was a minor texture quality reduction thats all and it was gone in the next driver release without a perfomance hit. |
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BigBerthaEA Unregistered |
#43946 Posted on: 05/17/2003 07:02 PM
Calling me dumb? Wow, that is MOST impressive! The ATI issue wasn't a big deal? Um, ok. You are free to continue this discussion all by yourself. I don't waste my time with people who resort to name-calling or talking down to others. Knock yourself out... |
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chris_exe Unregistered |
#43949 Posted on: 05/17/2003 07:18 PM
I do appologise for calling you dumb, i just get frustrated when people take things out of context or read more into something than there actually is. My problem is with the FX not with ANY other nvidia product. |
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aoun99 Junior Member Posts: 4 Joined: 2003-04-18 |
#43950 Posted on: 05/17/2003 07:34 PM
Actually i agree with chris_exe and i own a geforce 4. You were being a little over the top. My guess is you have nvidia card as well ? The FX is a mess up, the nforce is great. Anyway he must have got his nforce 2 before all this cheat/bug stuff started, maybe ?? |
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